(Ranked 419 on Cribbage (Yahoo) Ladder) on October 18, 2011 at 16:55:15:In Reply to: Re: You're slipping Sluffy posted by KMAJ (Gold Member) on October 17, 2011 at 23:48:27:
... at least I don't continually regurgitate the same old talking points on every topic...
It seems you're locked into the same old meaningless rightist talking points you use over and over ad nauseum which you always do when unable to refute the truth of a matter.
to wit:
("supported by Communist Party USA, Nazi Party USA, & Socialist Party USA, to go along with far left unions, including SEIU. OWS is nothing more than a group of law breaking, violennce espousing, anti-American Marxists who want massive re-distribution of wealth and government regulation of our lives.")
all the while avoiding the REUTERS research which illustrates and proves the slow and steady grassroots origin of the time line and ground swell of support for the movement which unlike the TeaBaggers movement that was sponsored and promoted by FoxNews whacko's from day one of its onset.
Also, speaking of copy/paste, where did the first sentence in your relpy to Aces originate?...
"Who is Maria Cardona? Maria Cardona is a seasoned Democratic strategist, public affairs and communications professional with more than 18 years experience in the political, government, public relations, campaign, community and coalition building arenas."
I found it verbatum in a dozen or so links...
Need I list them all?
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: An ad hominem response followed by a cut and paste from leftist Reuters?
: They neglect to mention that the online site, which I named and provided the link to, Ad Busters, is a George Soros funded organization. They also neglect to say that this organization is now supported by Communist Party USA, Nazi Party USA, & Socialist Party USA, to go along with far left unions, including SEIU.
: That you cannot admit the far left ideology espoused by this group is intellectually dishonest. Unlike you, I did not post or cut and paste from any rightist organizations to support my opinion, I let the sites if the OWS speak for themselves.
: You can look up the Communist Party USA and other supporters I listed to verify their support.
: OWS is nothing more than a group of law breaking, violennce espousing, anti-American Marxists who want massive re-distribution of wealth and government regulation of our lives.
: Can you respond with more than ad hominem and a cut and paste?
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: : You're still watching too much of Fox and Rush..
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: : REUTERS - updated 10/17/2011 5:20:37 PM ET
: : NEW YORK — It all started innocuously enough with a July 13 blog post urging people to #OccupyWallStreet, as though such a thing (Twitter hashtag and all) were possible.
: : It turns out, with enough momentum and a keen sense of how to use social media, it actually is.
: : The Occupy movement, decentralized and leaderless, has mobilized thousands of people around the world almost exclusively via the Internet. To a large degree through Twitter, and also with platforms like Facebook and Meetup, crowds have connected and gathered.
: : As with any movement, a spark is needed to start word spreading. SocialFlow, a social media marketing company, did an analysis for Reuters of the history of the Occupy hashtag on Twitter and the ways it spread and took root.
: : The first apparent mention was that July 13 blog post by activist group Adbusters but the idea was slow to get traction.
: : The next Twitter mention was on July 20 from a Costa Rican film producer named Francisco Guerrero, linking to a blog post on a site called Wake Up from Your Slumber that reiterated the Adbusters call to action.
: : The site, founded in 2006 "to expose America's fraudulent monetary and the evil of charging interest on money loaned," is a reference to the biblical verse Romans 13:11 that reads in part: "The hour has come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed."
: : Guerrero's post was retweeted once and then there was silence until two July 23 tweets — one from the Spanish user Gurzbo and one from a retired high school chemistry teacher in Long Island, New York named Cindy tweeting as gemswinc.
: : Gurzbo's post was not passed along by anyone but Cindy's was, by eight people, including a Delaware-based opponent of the Federal Reserve, a vegan information rights supporter, a Washington-based environmentalist and an Alabama-based progressive blogger.
: : Again, there was relative silence for nearly two weeks, until LazyBookworm tweeted the Occupy hashtag again on August 5. That got seven retweets, largely from a crowd of organic food supporters and poets.
: : Hashtag revolt
: : The notion of Occupy Wall Street was out there but it was not gaining much attention — until, of course, it did, suddenly and with force.
: : Social media experts trace the expansion to hyper-local tweeters, people who cover the pulse of communities at a level of detail not even local papers can match.
: : In New York, credit goes to the Twitter account of Newyorkist, whose more than 11,000 tweets chronicle the city in block-by-block detail. His was one of the first well-followed accounts to mention the protests in mid-September.
: : Trendistic, which tracks hashtag trends on Twitter, shows that OccupyWallStreet first showed up in any volume around 11 p.m. on September 16, the evening before the occupation of lower Manhattan's Zuccotti Park began. Within 24 hours, the tag represented nearly 1 of every 500 uses of a hashtag.
: : The first two weeks of the movement were slow, media coverage was slim and little happened beyond the taking of the concrete park itself. But then a demonstration on the Brooklyn Bridge prompted hundreds of arrests and the spark was ignited.
: : On October 1, #OccupyBoston started to show up on Twitter. Within a couple of weeks, #OccupyDenver and #OccupySD and others appeared.
: : The Occupy Wall Street page on Facebook started on September 19 with a YouTube video of the early protests. By September 22, it reached critical mass.
: : "Newcomers today, welcome! Feel free to post. Advertise your own pages of resistance. Network until it works," read one posting meant to inspire protests elsewhere.
: : For young activists around the world, who grew up with the Internet and the smartphone, Facebook and Twitter have become crucial in expanding the movement.
: : They are pioneering platforms like Vibe that lets people anonymously share text, photos and video over short distances for brief periods of time — perfect for use at rallies.
: : "No one owns a (Twitter) hashtag, it has no leadership, it has no organization, it has no creed but it's quite appropriate to the architecture of the net. This is a distributed revolt," said Jeff Jarvis, a journalism professor at City University of New York and author of the well-known blog BuzzMachine.
: : Some reports say the protesters have raised as much as $300,000 in donations to cover everything from pizza to video equipment but others put the figure much lower.
: : The Alliance for Global Justice, which calls itself "the fiscal sponsor for Occupy Wall Street," has raised $23,200 via WePay.com.
: : Occupy Everywhere
: : As of Monday afternoon, Facebook listed no fewer than 125 Occupy-related pages, from New York to Tulsa and all points in between. Roughly 1 in every 500 hashtags used on Twitter on Monday, all around the world, was the movement's own #OWS.
: : The websites keep proliferating — We Are the 99 Percent, Parents for Occupy Wall Street and Occupy Together, even the parody Occupy Sesame Street (concerned mostly with the plight of monsters living in garbage cans).
: : Online streaming video has also been a huge resource for the protesters, using cheap cameras and high-speed wireless Internet access.
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: : : Who is Maria Cardona? Maria Cardona is a seasoned Democratic strategist, public affairs and communications professional with more than 18 years experience in the political, government, public relations, campaign, community and coalition building arenas.
: : : Who are these 'occupiers'? They are defintiely more violent and prone to law breaking than the tea party, as well as leaving a mess where they gather, unlike the tea party people.
: : : They want redistribution of wealth, nanny state government i.e. more government entitlements and are anti-capitalism, in other words, they are socialists, at best. From the Adbusters website: "..like the capitalist cancer we are fighting."
: : : The movement was started in July by Adbusters.org (http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/occupywallstreet.html) modeled after the Arab Spring Movement in Egypt and called for:
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"Alright you 90,000 redeemers, rebels and radicals out there,: : : A worldwide shift in revolutionary tactics is underway right now that bodes well for the future. The spirit of this fresh tactic, a fusion of Tahrir with the acampadas of Spain, is captured in this quote:
: : : "The antiglobalization movement was the first step on the road. Back then our model was to attack the like a pack of wolves. There was an alpha male, a wolf who led the pack, and those who followed behind. Now the model has evolved. Today we are one big swarm of people.""
: : : About Adbusters: "This site was designed to help you turn the drab number cruncher you're staring at right now into the most versatile activist tool ever reckoned with. From cyberpetitions to Critical Mass tips, from exposing corporate propaganda, to downshifting your lifestyle and treading lightly on the planet, we hope this site will inspire you to move – upon your return to the real world – from spectator to participant."
: : : There is a new website (http://occupywallst.org/forum/the-99-answers-wall-street/) that uses the clenched fist and has become the unofficial website fir the movement. It is a radical far left movement supported by unions, Noam Chomsky and other far left radicals.
: : : And Maria has the talking points down for Kool-Aid drinkers like you Aces.
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: : : : (CNN) Maria Cardona
: : : : I appeared on a couple of segments on CNN this week where the topic was the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. A question raised was whether this was political. The Republican/tea party spokesperson said yes, arguing that labor unions were behind it (in fact the labor unions did not join until this week). I said it was economic, but political in the sense that you have a political party -- the GOP -- entrenched with the wealthy and Wall Street while doing nothing to protect middle-class America. But I was wrong. It is not economic. And it is not political. It is personal.
: : : : Exe.cutive pay is now about five times higher than it was in 1980, adjusted for inflation. The average salary for the rank-and-file American worker, however, is about the same as it was in 1980. Really? Does American exceptionalism exist only at the top 1% of our workforce? Did our CEOs really get 5 times better than they were in 1980 and our workers remain just ho-hum average? I don't think so. Neither does the rest of America. When there is this kind of disparity while these same CEOs are paying taxes at a rate lower than their secretaries, their receptionists, and the people who clean their offices, it is personal.
: : : : When he was chair of the DNC, my former boss, the late Commerce Secretary Ronald H. Brown, used to say in his stump speech that we live in an era where "the rich got richer, the poor got poorer, and the middle-class got squeezed." This was back in 1992. It could not be truer today. While President Obama has not done things perfectly, he has injected some fairness and balance into the economy to spur growth and job creation. More needs to be done, but his attempts have been met mostly by gridlock and a GOP that only wants to see him fail.
: : : : In the meantime, corporate profits are at an all-time high, but corporations are paying lower taxes than ever before. Some aren't paying any at all. This week, we see banks tacking on extra fees -- which, contrary to what they argue, would lead them to 13% more in profits than they were making before the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act went into effect. At the same time, CEOs, while also making record amounts of money (the average CEO makes $11 million a year while the average person makes $40,000), have laid off millions of Americans while sending our jobs overseas. These are not nameless, faceless Americans. They are our neighbors, our friends and even our families. It is personal.
: : : : Republicans continue to protect this twisted . And to add insult to injury, Republican legislators and the GOP presidential candidates want to eliminate the protections the middle class gained from the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act passed by Democrats and signed by Obama.
: : : : Does the crash of 2008 ring a bell? Are Republicans really advocating that the greed of Wall Street be put before the needs of the American people? Yes, and here's why: In the 2010 election cycle, corporations spent over $275 million getting politicians elected and spent almost $3 billion lobbying them. While some of those donations went to Democrats, the vast majority went to Republicans. It's no wonder Republicans want less government accountability and more tax giveaways for billionaires and giant companies -- that's what their corporate donors demand. I, for one, take it personally.
: : : : So does Obama.
: : : : The second question I was asked this week was whether the demonstrators had a "candidate" in the race. They do. President Obama. He acknowledges Americans are angry. He knows times are tough and he continues to fight to restore some much-needed protections for exactly the people in that crowd at Wall Street. He and Democrats want more balance in the . One way of getting there is the Buffett Rule -- Obama's proposal, named after billionaire Warren Buffett, that those making more than $1 million pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the rest of us.
: : : : Critics scream "class warfare," and decry the attacks on the "job creators," and cry "socialism" as they continue to preserve this unjust that is giving rise to what could be a powerful and sustained movement.
: : : : Here are my answers:
: : : : Class warfare? You bet. As Buffett has said so eloquently, this country has been engaged in class warfare for decades, and guess what? His class won. It is now time to stand up and fight for fairness for the middle class and a balanced approach for working-class families, who have labored just as hard as America's top CEOs but have not had the same kind of increases in salary.
: : : : On job creators? Who are they? The majority of job creation comes from our small businesses, none of which are raking in the salaries of the top 1% of wealthy Americans. So asking the top 1% of wealthy Americans to pay their fair share and pay at least as high a tax rate as their workers is not class warfare or an attack on "job creators" or socialism. It is in fact the American way. And America agrees.
: : : : Meanwhile, in the greatest country in the world, Latino children now rank highest in child poverty rates. Latinos and African-Americans suffer from much higher unemployment rates than others.
: : : : With all this taken together, is it any wonder that our masses could be giving rise to our own "spring"? While it is no Arab Spring, the movement is spreading. Not economic, not political, but personal. Republicans would do well to take it personally too.