I have my sincere doubts that cursing at each other will solve whatever problem exists between you two. I suggest that Remedy starts duking (at which he is good)and that our Ladderop starts checking the whereabouts and playing habits of the ladder and in particular the top 10, like he should do.

• Here's my Thoughts on the Matter View
    by *Suzaku* on September 3, 2000 at 07:19:05 PDT
  
  Listen up ladder people,

  Some of you may not know who the hell I am, lol, but I wanted to post my opinion on your little drama. I really don't understand why everyone is getting so riled up about the ladder. I do agree, though, that the LLS shouldn't play amongst themselves on their own little server; and that it's wrong to give out free wins like a biatch. Maybe that isn't the case, as the LLS may argue, but that's what I've gathered from your earlier posts.
  I think the ladder-ops, as Akzo mentioned earlier, should be doing their job and making sure everyone is playing fairly. I was also wondering, what do ladder-ops do if they're not maintaining justice and order amongst the population?
  Free wins, along with all the harsh competetiveness is WHY I dislike the ladder so much nowadays. It used to be that everyone played by the rules *mostly* and it was actually FUN to ladder. Now that I look at it, I think, "Sh*t, what the heck happened? People are so stupid these days." And we all wonder why ladder isn't as popular for duke now. Aside from the fact that Duke 3d is losing players, you've got people *not mentioning names* giving out free wins to each other.
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ladder was initially set up to see how good we were against other players, not how high we could get on the ladder by giving ourselves and friends, free wins. Whatever happened to friendly competition, and fair play? Obviously some of you don't have enough courage and decency to suck it up when you lose, and forget about it. This is online gaming for God's sake! I shudder to think how some of you act in real life, if this is how you are online. Where has all the respect gone when it comes to laddering?
  I purposely signed up for ladder so I could post my opinion onto this forum. Some of you need to grow up and act like good little boys and girls. lol

  *Suzaku*

  
  : OmegaQuest, Remedy,

  : I have my sincere doubts that cursing at each other will solve whatever problem exists between you two. I suggest that Remedy starts duking (at which he is good)and that our Ladderop starts checking the whereabouts and playing habits of the ladder and in particular the top 10, like he should do.

  
  

  • Re: Here's my Thoughts on the Matter View
      by ~LLS~OmegaQuest on September 3, 2000 at 18:03:18 PDT
    
    

    This is in reply to both of you, First, cursing? I dont recall posting any replys with cursing in them, Now Remedy on the other hand, its almost every other word he says.

    Also the Ladder Op (* Myself *) Is doing his job. The ladder is getting cleaned up from multiple accounts, Non reporters and so on.
    About Free Wins, no one gives free wins in ~LLS~ that I have found yet. so untill I find out other wise or someone brings me solid proof, lets drop that.
    About the "Little" Server, LOL. Its not that little. Also there are no rules saying that you can not chat in other servers, and all are welcomed ot the server atless they start their "Stuff" and get themselfs banned, but thats their problem.

    Thanks for your time and Have a Great Memorial Day Weekend

    ~LLS~OmegaQuest
    Ladder Op
    Case's Ladder

    -------------------------------------------------

    : Listen up ladder people,

    : Some of you may not know who the hell I am, lol, but I wanted to post my opinion on your little drama. I really don't understand why everyone is getting so riled up about the ladder. I do agree, though, that the LLS shouldn't play amongst themselves on their own little server; and that it's wrong to give out free wins like a biatch. Maybe that isn't the case, as the LLS may argue, but that's what I've gathered from your earlier posts.
    : I think the ladder-ops, as Akzo mentioned earlier, should be doing their job and making sure everyone is playing fairly. I was also wondering, what do ladder-ops do if they're not maintaining justice and order amongst the population?
    : Free wins, along with all the harsh competetiveness is WHY I dislike the ladder so much nowadays. It used to be that everyone played by the rules *mostly* and it was actually FUN to ladder. Now that I look at it, I think, "Sh*t, what the heck happened? People are so stupid these days." And we all wonder why ladder isn't as popular for duke now. Aside from the fact that Duke 3d is losing players, you've got people *not mentioning names* giving out free wins to each other.
    : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ladder was initially set up to see how good we were against other players, not how high we could get on the ladder by giving ourselves and friends, free wins. Whatever happened to friendly competition, and fair play? Obviously some of you don't have enough courage and decency to suck it up when you lose, and forget about it. This is online gaming for God's sake! I shudder to think how some of you act in real life, if this is how you are online. Where has all the respect gone when it comes to laddering?
    : I purposely signed up for ladder so I could post my opinion onto this forum. Some of you need to grow up and act like good little boys and girls. lol

    : *Suzaku*

    :
    : : OmegaQuest, Remedy,

    : : I have my sincere doubts that cursing at each other will solve whatever problem exists between you two. I suggest that Remedy starts duking (at which he is good)and that our Ladderop starts checking the whereabouts and playing habits of the ladder and in particular the top 10, like he should do.

    
    

    • Umm.. View
        by *Suzaku* on September 4, 2000 at 13:13:52 PDT
      
      OmegaQuest,

      I hope you don't think I'm trying to start sh*t or anything. I know some decent people in LLS, so I ain't against the clan.

      First of all, shouldn't the ladder have stayed clean in the first place? If the ladder-ops were doing their job, they would've KEPT the ladder nice and neat.

      When I said little server, I was kidding. <-- that comment is for those who don't understand sarcasm. ^_^ One thing I want to make clear, I have never started 'stuff' with LLS. So why is it when I tried to enter your server, it said only certain people are allowed in? Are you lying to me, or do you have evidence of me being banned, when I never even entered your server once?

      Oh yes, and another funny comment you made that I just have to point out. It's NOT Memorial Day! ROFLMAO, it's Labor Day!!!!! If you live in another country it's understandable... but if not.. I have no comment. :)

      Let me repeat myself, I have nothing against LLS. I just took it upon myself to state what I thought, using the information I've gathered in this forum and on Kali. So don't hate me.

      
      *Suzaku*

      : This is in reply to both of you, First, cursing? I dont recall posting any replys with cursing in them, Now Remedy on the other hand, its almost every other word he says.

      : Also the Ladder Op (* Myself *) Is doing his job. The ladder is getting cleaned up from multiple accounts, Non reporters and so on.
      : About Free Wins, no one gives free wins in ~LLS~ that I have found yet. so untill I find out other wise or someone brings me solid proof, lets drop that.
      : About the "Little" Server, LOL. Its not that little. Also there are no rules saying that you can not chat in other servers, and all are welcomed ot the server atless they start their "Stuff" and get themselfs banned, but thats their problem.

      : Thanks for your time and Have a Great Memorial Day Weekend

      : ~LLS~OmegaQuest
      : Ladder Op
      : Case's Ladder

      : -------------------------------------------------

      : : Listen up ladder people,

      : : Some of you may not know who the hell I am, lol, but I wanted to post my opinion on your little drama. I really don't understand why everyone is getting so riled up about the ladder. I do agree, though, that the LLS shouldn't play amongst themselves on their own little server; and that it's wrong to give out free wins like a biatch. Maybe that isn't the case, as the LLS may argue, but that's what I've gathered from your earlier posts.
      : : I think the ladder-ops, as Akzo mentioned earlier, should be doing their job and making sure everyone is playing fairly. I was also wondering, what do ladder-ops do if they're not maintaining justice and order amongst the population?
      : : Free wins, along with all the harsh competetiveness is WHY I dislike the ladder so much nowadays. It used to be that everyone played by the rules *mostly* and it was actually FUN to ladder. Now that I look at it, I think, "Sh*t, what the heck happened? People are so stupid these days." And we all wonder why ladder isn't as popular for duke now. Aside from the fact that Duke 3d is losing players, you've got people *not mentioning names* giving out free wins to each other.
      : : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ladder was initially set up to see how good we were against other players, not how high we could get on the ladder by giving ourselves and friends, free wins. Whatever happened to friendly competition, and fair play? Obviously some of you don't have enough courage and decency to suck it up when you lose, and forget about it. This is online gaming for God's sake! I shudder to think how some of you act in real life, if this is how you are online. Where has all the respect gone when it comes to laddering?
      : : I purposely signed up for ladder so I could post my opinion onto this forum. Some of you need to grow up and act like good little boys and girls. lol

      : : *Suzaku*

      
      : :
      : : : OmegaQuest, Remedy,

      : : : I have my sincere doubts that cursing at each other will solve whatever problem exists between you two. I suggest that Remedy starts duking (at which he is good)and that our Ladderop starts checking the whereabouts and playing habits of the ladder and in particular the top 10, like he should do.

      
      

      • Re: Umm.. View
          by ~LLS~OmegaQuest on September 4, 2000 at 15:17:39 PDT
        
        

        I didn't think I said you were starting stuff.

        And no I wasnt lying all are welcomed but those who got themselfs banned. Everyone whos not in ~LLS~ and have not asked and been voted to stay longer then 15 min, get treated like 15 min users, this was started cause people just sit there and go to sleep and hang out, thats for me to do not everyone else. So if you stay in there for 15 min, you will have to rejoin.

        About the Sarcasm, I understand it but dont like it, sarcasm is just a way to say something that you really mean but at the same time something you can hide behind what you say it, if you understand LOL.

        About the Memorial and labor day, you got me on that one. Dont know what to say but, I dont keep up with holidays that much.

        Thanks for your time, and Happy Labor Day. LOL

        ~LLS~OmegaQuest
        Ladder Op
        Head TD
        Case's Ladder

        -------------------------------------------------

        
        : OmegaQuest,

        : I hope you don't think I'm trying to start sh*t or anything. I know some decent people in LLS, so I ain't against the clan.

        : First of all, shouldn't the ladder have stayed clean in the first place? If the ladder-ops were doing their job, they would've KEPT the ladder nice and neat.

        : When I said little server, I was kidding. <-- that comment is for those who don't understand sarcasm. ^_^ One thing I want to make clear, I have never started 'stuff' with LLS. So why is it when I tried to enter your server, it said only certain people are allowed in? Are you lying to me, or do you have evidence of me being banned, when I never even entered your server once?

        : Oh yes, and another funny comment you made that I just have to point out. It's NOT Memorial Day! ROFLMAO, it's Labor Day!!!!! If you live in another country it's understandable... but if not.. I have no comment. :)

        : Let me repeat myself, I have nothing against LLS. I just took it upon myself to state what I thought, using the information I've gathered in this forum and on Kali. So don't hate me.

        :
        : *Suzaku*

        
        : : This is in reply to both of you, First, cursing? I dont recall posting any replys with cursing in them, Now Remedy on the other hand, its almost every other word he says.

        : : Also the Ladder Op (* Myself *) Is doing his job. The ladder is getting cleaned up from multiple accounts, Non reporters and so on.
        : : About Free Wins, no one gives free wins in ~LLS~ that I have found yet. so untill I find out other wise or someone brings me solid proof, lets drop that.
        : : About the "Little" Server, LOL. Its not that little. Also there are no rules saying that you can not chat in other servers, and all are welcomed ot the server atless they start their "Stuff" and get themselfs banned, but thats their problem.

        : : Thanks for your time and Have a Great Memorial Day Weekend

        : : ~LLS~OmegaQuest
        : : Ladder Op
        : : Case's Ladder

        : : -------------------------------------------------

        : : : Listen up ladder people,

        : : : Some of you may not know who the hell I am, lol, but I wanted to post my opinion on your little drama. I really don't understand why everyone is getting so riled up about the ladder. I do agree, though, that the LLS shouldn't play amongst themselves on their own little server; and that it's wrong to give out free wins like a biatch. Maybe that isn't the case, as the LLS may argue, but that's what I've gathered from your earlier posts.
        : : : I think the ladder-ops, as Akzo mentioned earlier, should be doing their job and making sure everyone is playing fairly. I was also wondering, what do ladder-ops do if they're not maintaining justice and order amongst the population?
        : : : Free wins, along with all the harsh competetiveness is WHY I dislike the ladder so much nowadays. It used to be that everyone played by the rules *mostly* and it was actually FUN to ladder. Now that I look at it, I think, "Sh*t, what the heck happened? People are so stupid these days." And we all wonder why ladder isn't as popular for duke now. Aside from the fact that Duke 3d is losing players, you've got people *not mentioning names* giving out free wins to each other.
        : : : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ladder was initially set up to see how good we were against other players, not how high we could get on the ladder by giving ourselves and friends, free wins. Whatever happened to friendly competition, and fair play? Obviously some of you don't have enough courage and decency to suck it up when you lose, and forget about it. This is online gaming for God's sake! I shudder to think how some of you act in real life, if this is how you are online. Where has all the respect gone when it comes to laddering?
        : : : I purposely signed up for ladder so I could post my opinion onto this forum. Some of you need to grow up and act like good little boys and girls. lol

        : : : *Suzaku*

        :
        : : :
        : : : : OmegaQuest, Remedy,

        : : : : I have my sincere doubts that cursing at each other will solve whatever problem exists between you two. I suggest that Remedy starts duking (at which he is good)and that our Ladderop starts checking the whereabouts and playing habits of the ladder and in particular the top 10, like he should do.

        
        

      • Re: Umm.. View
          by !AsX!Akzodream on September 4, 2000 at 14:17:32 PDT
        
        OmegaQuest,

        when I posted my initial message I tried to make a point. The point was that other normal players of this game and I were getting a little tired of group 'a' throwing mud at group 'b' and vice versa. I am not taking sides, but I would just like this feud ended.
        This ladder was meant to compare skills like Suzaku mentioned. At this point in time I only see quarreling. This forum is the same: I read a lot of messages but I dont see one without (or a reference to) LLS.
        Why argue over LLS? We can start a discussion in here about the ladder as it is...as this forum was meant to be. With the rulebook in my hand I can point out the ladder habits of one IOD LAZOR, retired or not. He is surely not obeying the rule regarding the top of the heap (Top of the Heap: Everyone wants a shot at #1; consequently there should be a lot of activity and movement in the top ranks of the Ladder. Remember that rank has priority when it comes to challenges. Keeping that in mind, the number one player should play the number two player as often as possible). I checked both the #1, #2 and #3 their records but I fail to see a match between Lazor or NDF Steve / NDF Dave recently.
        
        My point however is NOT to start a discussion about laddering in here. My point was to ask the people involved to ease off, show respect. What fits in that picture is a ladderop that does not get involved in every discussion we have in here cause he feels LLS is under attack.
        If a member of LLS has something to say I think they can speak for themselves. Your quarreling with ReMeDY, no matter who is right or wrong, will only escalate the problem because every word you put in here will be seen and explained as 'favouring' by the opposition.

        Thanks for your time and enjoy Labor Day ;)

        
        

        • Re: Umm.. View
            by ~LLS~OmegaQuest on September 4, 2000 at 15:26:03 PDT
          
          

          About Lazor and NDF

          This is true the #1 should ladder as much as possible with the other top 10 and yes rank does come first, but the ladder is on an auto drop now so if they dont defend rank they will get dropped.

          About the Defending ~LLS~. You forget I am LLS and most of the comments were aimed at me as ladder op and also LLS member.

          One of my jobs as ladder op is to monitor the chat forum and post stuff when ever I see I can.

          Take away Remedy and Sly's chats and you dont have much.

          Im kind of enjoy seeing their ____ Comments and look forward to reading it everyday. LOL

          Thanks for your time, and Happy Labor Day.

          ~LLS~OmegaQuest
          Ladder Op
          Head TD
          Case's Ladder

          
          : OmegaQuest,

          : when I posted my initial message I tried to make a point. The point was that other normal players of this game and I were getting a little tired of group 'a' throwing mud at group 'b' and vice versa. I am not taking sides, but I would just like this feud ended.
          : This ladder was meant to compare skills like Suzaku mentioned. At this point in time I only see quarreling. This forum is the same: I read a lot of messages but I dont see one without (or a reference to) LLS.
          : Why argue over LLS? We can start a discussion in here about the ladder as it is...as this forum was meant to be. With the rulebook in my hand I can point out the ladder habits of one IOD LAZOR, retired or not. He is surely not obeying the rule regarding the top of the heap (Top of the Heap: Everyone wants a shot at #1; consequently there should be a lot of activity and movement in the top ranks of the Ladder. Remember that rank has priority when it comes to challenges. Keeping that in mind, the number one player should play the number two player as often as possible). I checked both the #1, #2 and #3 their records but I fail to see a match between Lazor or NDF Steve / NDF Dave recently.
          :
          : My point however is NOT to start a discussion about laddering in here. My point was to ask the people involved to ease off, show respect. What fits in that picture is a ladderop that does not get involved in every discussion we have in here cause he feels LLS is under attack.
          : If a member of LLS has something to say I think they can speak for themselves. Your quarreling with ReMeDY, no matter who is right or wrong, will only escalate the problem because every word you put in here will be seen and explained as 'favouring' by the opposition.

          : Thanks for your time and enjoy Labor Day ;)

          
          

          • Re: Umm.. View
              by !AsX!Akzodream on September 6, 2000 at 10:41:35 PDT
            
            Omega,

            Not to harress you but Lazor STILL
            did not play the rank right below him as he should. Also I noticed he played ~lls~Dracula awfully often (5 times out of his last 10 matches). As the #1 should he not play others more?